Section 8

Since I’ve been writing about HUD programs, let me recommend this Prospect piece. In it, Greg Anrig and Harold Pollack take apart an Atlantic piece by Hanna Rosin (itself based on research by Richard Janikowski and Phyllis Betts) which claimed that Section 8 families in a Memphis relocation program were responsible for increasing crime rates in suburban areas. The Rosin piece has received a lot of criticism, and the Prospect article summarizes most of its failures.

The research on these new-ish housing policies is still developing, but there are a few lessons we can draw. One is that breaking up old school public housing and replacing it with mixed-income development is a very, very good thing on net. Another is that it’s mildly positive, on net, for the low income people who lived there. Another is that it should be more positive but it isn’t. That’s because some people don’t want to take the opportunity to leave, and others take it but maintain close connections with their old neighborhood. Social networks are hard for anyone to break.

And another is that with more resources, these programs could get a lot more effective. Because moving alone won’t automatically change a household’s prospects, more institutional support is needed. Bigger vouchers would get families into better neighborhoods. Combining vouchers with educational opportunities or employment services would help relocating families take better advantage of their new location.

That stuff all costs money, but it’s an investment. There’s nothing cheap or healthy about having a large population trapped in cycles of violence and poverty.

Comments

  1. JB says:

    I’d also recommend the Briggs and Dreier article linked in the piece. Briggs was instrumental in HUD’s Moving to Opportunity program in the Clinton admin.

  2. Alex E. says:

    But because vouchers are not required to be accepted many buildings refuse to accept them (the red tape, the wear by the tenants, etc) this in turn concentrates the voucher holders in the hands of a few private building owners. To me this seems as merely privatizing the problem with public dollars.

    Have you been to the places that accept the vouchers? Those areas seem to be just as “trapped in cycles of violence and poverty” as the previous ones.

  3. monkeyrotica says:

    Yup. The apartments in Columbia Heights and Mount Pleasant that are in a perpetual state of disintegration (and are either bursting into flames or gettin raided by DCRA) all accept Section 8 vouchers. Absentee landlords residing in Africa/South America as well.

  4. Another outstanding rebuttal appears in Shelterforce journal: Memphis Murder Mystery? No, Just Mistaken Identity.

    The article is even co-signed by some of the scholars and researchers who were quoted in the original Atlantic article, which tells you that was a real hack job.

  5. Alex E. says:

    Laurence,

    That article says essentially what I think Ryan means when he says, “breaking up old school public housing and replacing it with mixed-income development is a very, very good thing on net.” The voucher holders now live in areas with less crime and poverty.

    The Atlantic article never challenged this point, rather the Atlantic article highlighted that the areas with voucher holders were now poorer and had more crime than before the program was instituted.

    I inferred that the “suburban” nature of the neighborhoods now housing voucher holders was less dense than the projects were. My initial reaction was that crime had not been lowered at all merely decentralized. The challenge, I think, is to address the very real concern that crime is rising in more areas than it is falling in places like Memphis. So, the voucher holders now live in areas with less crime and poverty, at the expense of their new neighbors who now live in areas with more crime and poverty.

    I would also like to point out to Ryan that the housing projects the residents moved from had job training and other assistance programs, whereas the privately managed complex’s that accept vouchers do not. A point the Atlantic article addressed.

  6. singlemom says:

    “My initial reaction was that crime had not been lowered at all merely decentralized.”

    That is exactly what happens. Middle-classness, alas, is not transmissible by osmosis. Scattering Sec 8 creates soft spots in formerly solid working/middle-class neighborhoods. If they get bad enough, the richer people move away.

    I’m watching this get laid down in my neighborhood after crime’s destroyed a neighborhood across town. I’m a single mom; I hang on in what’s been a nice neighborhood, but I can’t afford to jump someplace better. All I can do is hang on, hope, prepare to move to a smaller town, and hope that that doesn’t wind up a mistake too.

    In ten years you’re going to watch working class people vote for Republicans again and go into frothing fits just as another generation of liberals did in 1980. You’ll be absolutely dead sure that the working class are idiots. And you’ll fail entirely to see that you came and pissed all over their neighborhoods and left them nowhere to go.

    No, you cannot be wrong, because you are virtuous, and your ideals are good! For crying out loud, get away from your books and go live a little with the responsibility for children. Away from trust funds, away from salaries. You’ll figure it out.